Grace McGlothin

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Personal narrative of Grace McGlothin
From: Grace McGlothin (gm)
Medium: Audio tape
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999
Place: Home of Grace McGlothin, 515 Spencer Ave., Marion, Indiana 46952
Collected by: Nicole Simmons (ns)

00:00 ns: I am Nicole Simmons. This is April 28, 1999. This is being recorded at 515 Spencer Avenue. I am speaking with Grace McGlothin. Please state your name Grace.

gm: Grace McGlothin

ns: Do I have your permission to interview you?

gm: Yes, you do.

ns: Do I have your permission to submit this interview to Marion High School?

gm: Yes

ns: Do I have your permission to submit this interview to the Marion Public Library?

gm: Yes.

ns: Grace why don’t you tell me a little about your life prior to the war.

gm: Where do you want me to start?

ns: Um, you can just go ahead and tell me about your life like in high school leading up to the war.

gm: Well, I graduated in 1925, uh, from Marion High School, which at that time was located on Nelson Street, (inaudible). And, uh, what do you want to know about (um) my high school years?

00:51 ns: Tell me (I) a little about what you did in high school and then like when you got married and stuff.

gm: Well, I was in the Glee club, and I was in the Girl Reserves which uh no longer exists. It was similar to Girl Scouts, only at that time was called Girls Girls, Girls Reserves. Um, my senior year we had a party end of the year. We had (inaudible) and a kids party, which was part o f the senior um activity. We dressed like little children. Six years old. The girls wore big hair ribbons and full dresses with sashes and socks and black shoes. And the boys dressed like little boys. We had a senior breakfast at the country club, and uh senior dance after graduation night. At that time we did not wear caps and gowns we wore dresses, and the boys wore suits. And um my mother made my dress. We all had, um, they were pretty pastels shades and really the dresses were all very pretty. Uh, at that time it was fashionable to wear, um, jeweled bands across the forehead and I had one and I still have it. That uh, my, I wore shoulder link hair and, uh, (inaudible) around my hair. Uh, we had a little dance afterwards and I was invited but I didn’t go because my brother came home from New York, he had graduated from Purdue that year, same year I graduated from High, Marion High and he was home and I felt like I wanted to visit with him. Uh, is their anything else you want to know about?

03:02 ns: You told me you were on the Survey staff, (I was on the survey staff), can you tell me like what you did?

gm: Senior year. I don’t remember too much about it. I wrote some articles I do remember that, (uh-huh). I did have one copy and I think its up in the attic someplace, but, uh, where my senior book is.

03:22 ns: Can you tell me a little about, um, what you remember about the World War Two?

gm: Yes, (cough) I remember it very distinctly. That afternoon, um, my children were probably six and eight, five and seven I think they were. And I, there was a movie on I wanted to go see so I left the children with their dad, and went to the matinee, and it was a warm day because doors were open. It was that warm. December 7. I went to the movie and on the way home I heard all these radios. I walked, and coming home I heard all these radios, and I knew something definitely happened, and I got home they said Pearl Harbor had been bombed. Well I had no idea what Pearl Harbor was, uh, and most people didn’t, but we had uh soldiers there, stationed there. And that was the beginning of the war.

04:33 ns: Um, did you have to live off of rations?

gm: Oh yes. Sugar and meat. Uh, we couldn’t get clothes. We couldn’t get coal. Um, there were just many things that we had to do without.

04:52 ns: Um, do you, did you have to live on coal burning, like did you have to buy coal?

gm: I had to buy coal, yes and uh, the main, uh, the labor here in Marion was, uh, Bill Coal Company and their truck broke down one time, so they had two trucks. One was delivery in Gas City and the other one was, had broken down, and they couldn’t get parts for it, so I had to go get my own coal and put it in my coal truck.

05:30 ns: Uh-huh, Um, so you listened to the radio a lot to get the news from the war?

gm: Yes, everyone was glued to the radio every time the news came on.

05:42 ns: Did you know anybody that went to war?

gm: Yes, my husband, although he was stationed in Washington D.C. the entire time, but many people from our church were in the war, and friends, different friends.

05:59 ns: Uh-huh, was it hard to, um, say good-bye when he left?

gm: Yes, it was, I said good-bye at home.

06:04 ns: Uh-huh, um, so during the whole war was it, did Marion change a lot from prior to it, did things change?

gm: Yes, uh, the world’s never been the same since, because prior to that most wars were localized in countries, that became, well we had World War I of course but then World War II was on a much larger scale. And that was the beginning really of women working, because they needed the women in the factories to get produced the war materials and so women had to go to work because the men, many of them, were in the war. And that’s the, gave women a chance to earn money, which they have never lost the desire since then. So it was really the beginning of women working.

07:02 ns: So did you have to get a job yourself?

gm: No, (you didn’t), I, when my husband went in service I said I’m going to stay home and raise the children. (That’s good), I had to work later but at that time no.

07:17 ns: Uh-huh, um, was it, how was it different, was it different in Marion during the forties then it is now to raise your children?

gm: Oh, completely different. At that time we didn’t lock our doors in the daytime. We always locked up at night but many, many people never locked their doors and uh, well if you could go, during the war on Sunday evenings, um, my two children and I would walk down around the square in the summer and look in the store windows and maybe stop and get a soda or something. I would never dream of doing that today, never

08:04 ns: Do you remember anything special that you and your children would do during that time, like for fun?

gm: We usually ate out on Friday nights, and went to a movie. That’s when we had really nice movie theaters with uh, nice great big um, marquees, and uh, beautiful bathrooms and beautiful seats, ceiling lights and they were a joy, and the movies were good. We had the Paramount, the Indiana. The ceiling of the Indiana was copied after the Indiana Theater in Indianapolis with stars up in the background of the sky. And then we had the Leery, which had uh, a second run and the one we lived by which had the third run, third and fourth run.

09:05 ns: So it was pretty safe in Marion?

gm: Yes, I’d say so at least.

09:10 ns: Um, so how was Marion different, like just city wise, like how downtown is different today?

gm: Oh, downtown was a hub of activity. Grudge stores were open Friday nights and Saturday nights, and people would park their cars and unload the family and they’d walk around the square doing grudge stores and get a soda or a coke or something. Kids would walk around, groups and such, teenagers and there was no destruction of any kind, or anything, it was just a fun Friday and Saturday night.

09:51 ns: Do you remember any other key points about the war, like at any time?

gm: Um, just a little bit, well first our only thoughts were when is this going to end. How longer, and we thought at the beginning maybe it happen a year or two. It went on for five years, five years.

10:17 ns: So you were active in the church during that time, (Yes, uh-huh), is there any stories or anything that you would like to share with me about that?

gm: Well, I have a lot of stories about the church. Um, one story, um, we had a secret room in the church and I had passed different ones that they knew about, but this one they have never heard of it, but I knew about it, and it was in the old, old, before it was remodeled forty five fifty years ago. It was somehow between the bottom of the choir box, do you remember the old choir box, back when, back when we were little? And the basement, and uh, an adult could not stand up, but I was a child and I could stand up. We went twice one time, and they had two so one of them beside and um, that’s where we (inaudible). It was fun because we called it the secret room. And I remember the old fireplace room, when they burned coal, because sometimes the church would be kind of cold, cold, and we children would go in there and gather around the furnace and get nice and warm.

11:14 ns: So did the church and like the community really pull together during the war?

gm: We had, yes they did. During World War I and World War II, yes they did. We had probably four or five hundred attending church at one point.

12:01 ns: Do you remember anything in particular about that time?

gm: I remember Easter time. Uh, in the old, old sanctuary there. Everyone would have a canary on Easter Sunday probably, and they had hooks under the old balcony and they hung the cage up for the canary, and the canaries would sing their hearts out, and when C. L. Johnson was minister, he wasn’t to happy with that because it gave him to much competition (laughs), he couldn’t always be heard because the canaries would just sing and sing and sing. But, uh, we did that on Easter Sunday I remember.

12:46 ns: Do you, um, remember any stories in particular of what you, like, sitting around the radio and listening about the war? Do you remember any kind in particular any stories you want to share about, uh, different wars starting in different places?

gm: Oh, um, I can remember, uh, a battle very closely. Of course they didn’t have TV then (inaudible) that we have now but, um, the catastrophes especially, um, in, um, Germany, uh, the prisoners, uh, the Jewish people that Hitler took was a (inaudible). We watched, or listened to, because almost everyone had somebody in their family, a parent or an aunt or an uncle or a cousin that was involved in the war, so we were extremely interested in everything that went on.

13:55 ns: Uh-huh. Do you remember any other in particular stories about the community and everything pulling together with their organizations that were set up to like help counsel families or anything of that sort?

gm: I don’t remember anything about counseling families, but they had, uh, War Wives Organization and War Mothers, and I was in the War Wives, and each one, you know helped the other one through that period. We also had, uh, they weren’t flags they were little paper things that you hung in the window, if you had someone in your own family in service, and, uh, so that was put up in your window.

14:41 ns: Can you tell me a little bit more about the War Wives Club?

gm: Well, we met once a month, and we, uh, it was mainly just to talk over things and give each other support. We had a potluck supper. And um.

14:59 ns: Do you remember anything about war bonds?

gm: Strangely I remember more about war bonds and I was just a kid, in World War I then I do, did in World War II because they really pushed them, and, uh, they had drives for them. I think the lowest one was twelve and a half-dollars. Which doesn’t sound like much now, but at maturity I think they brought, I don’t know twenty-five dollars. That was a lot of money.

15:35 ns: Um, was the KKK really active during the time of World War II?

gm: It was active, uh, years ago. I don’t remember about World War II, but years ago it was much more active. At least we heard a lot more about it.

15:54 ns: Do you remember any times in particular?

gm: Well I remember, but I don’t think that was the KK, but, um C, or KKK, but when they had the lynching here in Marion, um, I think I was in my teens and we went down to Decatur with my aunts, and we were coming home on Third Street, and we saw all these people gathered around the court house, and we knew something was going on, but dad said were not going to get mixed up in whatever is going on and we came straight home. But we found out later what had happened.

16:41 ns: So how old were your children during this time and how did you help them, like comprehend the war?

gm: Well lets see, Wanda would’ve been about between seven and eight, and Bill around six. Well when the war broke out Wanda was seven and Bill was five. It was very hard for them giving up their dad, they missed him.

17:09 ns: Did you, like, did you do anything in particular that would you know help them deal? Did you do special things for them?

gm: Yes, I didn’t work at that time and, um, I just was with them all the time.

17:24 ns: So did you participate with them in a lot of their school activities?

gm: Yes, at that time they didn’t have the homework that kids have now, and I helped them if they did have homework. And, uh, when they grew a little bit older we, as I say, Friday evenings we always went to the movies. They always had good movies and there was nothing X-rated, and that was just a Friday evening event, and, uh, to eat out, we ate out. If we went to the Indiana we ate at that Greek place next to it and had hamburgers and French fries because that’s what the kids liked, and pies. If we went to the Paramount then we went to Nicks Chili Bowl on Third Street, and we had chili. That was standard, and of course always we were in church on Sundays (inaudible). The kids were at the (inaudible) when they got of age. We, and, uh, senior highschool. They were in church every Sunday. Sometimes they didn’t want to go but they were there.

18:48 ns: Did um, was there any places in particular in Marion that were your favorites to go to, and if so could you tell me a little bit about them?

gm: Um, you mean when they got older? (Yeah) Well when Wanda was in highschool she liked to go to Hill Top, which was up at the top of third, and the Wreck they called it, and I was a little leery about her going to the Wreck. I guess the name of the place just didn’t sound good, but compared to days now, it was a sane, sane place. All’s they did was play records and dance. Bill wasn’t too much for going places like that. Bill kinda liked to strike out on his own and walk around and see what he could see and do.

19:42 ns: Were Christmas’s like, holidays during the war, were they really sad and how did you, describe a, Christmas to me during the war.

gm: Um, I think they were pretty normal as I can remember. I always tried to get the biggest tree I could afford, at that time and we went all out to decorate, and at that time my mother was still living, my dad had passed away, but my mother was still living. And we were sure to have lots of company. There never, dad never (inaudible).

20:21 ns: Yeah, so did you correspond with your husband during the war? (Yes) Was that hard to do?

gm: No not really, because I wrote him almost every day, and I just told all that I could (inaudible) not there. Things that would of not been of interest to anyone else but him. Told him what the children did and what we did (inaudible).

20:49 ns: Um, do you remember during, like in Marion a long time ago maybe perhaps the Easter Pageant, or the Easter Parade?

gm: Oh yes, the Easter Parade. In fact, uh, the Christler girls, uh, Susan was a very close friend of Wanda's. In fact they shared the same playpen. They lived next door and, uh, Wanda and Susan. Susan, Wanda was born July 27, 1934 and Susan was born I think the first of May of that same year, and so they would have the play pen out in the backyard and they would, two of them were in there, and they played together, um, Susan became one of the Easter queens and her older sister Shirley was a queen also. So there were to girls in that family that were queens and, uh, it was a big event for the high school and, uh, Mozell Humbert’s father, Mozell’s a member of our church, her father led the marching band. Do you remember that? And he was very precise, and these boys, just, high school boys. As I remember I think they wore dark pants and white shirts and (inaudible) and it was really a sight to see them because they were so precise and so well trained.

22:28 ns: Have you lived in this house your whole life?

gm: No we moved here when I was nine years old.

22:34 ns: Is there anything special about this house, why it stayed in the family so long?

gm: Well, it’s all special to me because we’ve had deaths here and births and, um, not births in the house but in the hospital but, uh, yeah. Means a lot to me. (You’d said.) Uh, the neighborhood. Do you want to hear about the neighborhood? (Uh-huh.) When we move here, um, they had electric cars that they were square and made absolutely no sound at all. They were battery operated and we had about five within this block, and, and half of the next block. Uh, they were for women only to go to their bridge club or country club or go shopping. They didn’t have a steering wheel, they had a long like a handle that moved back and forth, and they used to the ladies used to (inaudible) and, uh, they had corner seats, three, uh, two corner seats and then the seat that the driver sat in and then the door opened up (inaudible) and, uh, and as I said they made no sound whatsoever. They could go fifty miles and then they had to have the battery recharged. So they never went out of town, they stayed in town. Um, we had a nanny across the street over where Annie Gable lives and, uh, she wore a blue and white striped dress that came down to her ankles. She was about five by five. She had a big white apron. She was tall black and she wore a white taft. She was the a Mrs. Gable’s nanny I guess, and she took care of the house, and I would say she ran the house. She told Mrs. Gable’s what to do, and she was her nanny but she ran the house. And it was safe. Perfectly safe. The children used to, uh, gather up at the corner under the street light, and there were very few cars, there maybe a, I’m thinking back when I was young, maybe eight or ten in an hour would go by, and probably go maybe fifteen miles an hour cause they really didn’t go that fast then, and in town. So it was perfectly safe under the street light, and we played, uh, red light and, uh, whip cracker, some of those old games. We got pretty noisy, but, uh, we were safe and having fun.

25:46 ns: I’m stopping the tape now.

ns: We’re starting the tape now.

gm: (Do you?) Wanda was a bubble pass two, two, she was about two years and two months (inaudible) when Bill was born and, um, so I walked over to the hospital because it was just right over here, and I had had some pains so I walked over and the kids dad was at work and I got over there and the pains were false so I walked home. But anyway that was with Bill, I said Wanda, that was with Bill. So, um, Wanda said, um, when I got home she wanted to see the baby, and I said well, uh, mommy went over and its not time and I hadn’t had the baby yet, so when I came back and she was my mother brought her over after Bill was born and, uh, the nurse held the baby up in the window at the hospital so that my mother and father could see the baby. But before Bill was born Wanda and I were taking a walk in the evening in the fall and we went by the hospital and I said that’s where mommy’s going to have her baby, and she had noticed my big stomach and at that time you didn’t tell children very much and I just said, Oh mommy’s gotten a big stomach, uh, I guess maybe I’m putting on some weight. So someone, um, took her around by the hospital after Bill was born and, uh, she pointed up to the window and said that’s where my mommy went to get her stomach fixed. (Laugh) Then, um, um, lets see ask me some questions so I can think of something.

27:49 ns: Do you have any other stories about your children like the time that Bill walked home from the park on a broken knee?

gm: Well, yes I have one to Bill liked to wonder off and go places and see things and, uh, when he was twelve he was to be babtized on a Sunday afternoon in the old church building but the old, old sanctuary. And so he was to be baptized at four o’clock in the afternoon along with many children and so about three o’clock I tried to find Bill to get him cleaned up ready to go down at four o’clock on Sunday afternoon and Bill was no where around and so we had the whole neighborhood out watching for him, looking for him, and, uh, it turns out he wanted to start and walk and just see what he could. He was always wanting to go and see what he could discover and see, and, uh, time just didn’t mean too much for him, and he said oh I knew I’d be back in time, but um. Anyway we got him down there on time. (Uh-huh.) Um, let’s see think of something else. Oh, one Sunday evening when he was in senior high school he went to the senior group, Christian group every Sunday evening. It wasn’t called, uh, why, uh, the youth group then it had different name. But anyway, uh, he left home and he said Well I’m going down to (inaudible) and he was to give a report on something that evening, and they called from the church and said, uh, isn’t Bill coming, and I said oh yes he left quite a while ago, he should be there and they said well he hasn’t come. And so, uh, I began to get worried and, and so we, um, uh, got different ones out looking for him and finally, he finally called home, came home, and he had gone to the Indiana theater. He had never done anything like that before. He could be depend, you could depend on (End of tape.) (Inaudible) he had always done everything he was told to do and he said that was movie that I wanted to see and I knew I couldn’t go on a school night and he said the thought went into his mind Id done everything all my life I was supposed to do tonight I’m going to the theater. Which he did, (uh-huh) and they paged him finally at the theater, and I told them, I began to realize that’s probably where he been, and they said they couldn’t believe. They said anyone else but not Bill. He would never do that. But he did that night, and he said he had no regrets because, because he saw the movie he wanted to see.

31:11 ns: Um, where did your children go to middle school, and do you have any memories about that?

gm: They went to middle school at, uh, well it was called junior high, at the old, uh, it wasn’t called Martin Boots then. Yes, it was. It wasn’t Martin Boots at my time. Therefore they went to Martin Boots.

31:52 ns: But, um, during the time of the war, during the 1940s, what were the prices of different things you know like clothing, coffee, gas, stuff like that compared to today?

gm: During World War II, um, I think prices started going up, but prior to it, prior to World War II prices were very, very low. As I say, I think eight o’clock coffee, which was a brand that, um, A and P had. I think it was maybe eighteen cents a pound, um, and now I think its three or four dollars a pound, if you had an A and P store. Um, I remember, uh, gasoline I think was way under twenty cents a gallon. Coal, you could burn coal, a whole winters supply for sixty dollars. For a whole winter, uh, I don’t remember what other, I think seven or eight dollars probably a ton. Um, I remember I used to buy a lot of the large two and half-pound peaches, Del Monte, twelve cents a can. Clothing, uh, I had to buy special shoes for both Wanda and Bill cause they had very narrow feet and I think if I got really good shoes they were under five dollars, but you could buy, if you had a regular foot not narrow because they were standard (cough) I think they were about two and a half. I’m talking about small children not teenage. Um, I think I bought Bill’s suit, first suit when he was probably six or seven, seven I think (inaudible.) I think it was probably about twelve dollars. I do have a funny story about his suit. I bought; of course the all had new clothes for Easter. Um, we were coming to the car after church on Easter Sunday and Bill had his new suit. It was a plaid jacket with plain trousers, and Wanda and Bill were walking ahead of me a few feet, and I look down at the bottom suit jacket, there was a tag with price, the price and the size and the make (cough) and we’d been to church and Sunday school with that on the back of his suit. (Laugh.)

34:20 ns: Um, do you remember anything about Matter Park, how it was different compared to today?

gm: Yes, we had a real nice zoo. We had, um, a bear den. We had, um, deer, Monkey Island with all kinds of monkeys. We had a peacock, uh, we may of had two, I don’t know, a male and a female. We had, um, I, I think at one time we had one lion. I’m not sure, but I kind of think because it seems like he was real old and I think his hair was kind of matte. We had, um, I think we had a camel at one time. They had a large zoo house. The bears (cough) were in more like, um, a den. They had steps up and they went up a hill and then they had a, you could walk around and see them, and they had a huge island fence like that contained them. They had open-air streetcars for summer use, where the seats, uh, went sideways and you looked out. They ran vertical but they provided the streetcars for a nickel you could ride any place in town for a nickel. We had, uh, several lines of streetcars that pretty well covered the city and all the rest including the old soldier’s home. Would you like to hear about that? (Uh-huh.) When I was little they had concerts on Thursday nights and they still had a few Civil War veterans that were there at that time, when I was little and of course World War I soldiers and then later World War II. They were all physically handicapped at first but then later they had mental ones to but uh. They had open-air screens for movies on Thursday nights and a silent movies, with the printing up between each movie and then you read what the conversation was and then it showed it again. And they had a band. (Cough.) It was fun. We went usually on Thursday night (inaudible) on the ground. (Cough.) (Inaudible.)

37:10 ns: Do you, you had pointed that you knew a, a little about the style while you were growing up, like in the twenties?

gm: Yes, um, I remember in the twenties that we had the uneven hair, hem lines and, uh, we called them the drop hem lines which really went around the hips and we had, um, it was fashionable then for something formal to wear a headband and I had one for graduation but, um, well they were like rhinestones and they fit together, they had several clips so that it would adjust to your head size. For a, we wore gowns, prom dresses for graduation.

38:09 ns: Um, downtown Marion you had told me a little bit about the stores and you had said you worked at Hills. Can you tell me a little bit about the stores and you had said you worked at Hills; can you tell me a little bit more about that?

gm: It was, uh, a different Hills then we have now. It was an entirely different company. Yes, I worked a part time. Part of the time I worked in the, um, credit office and lay away office, and then during vacation time I worked in World of Youth, which, uh, was a department that carried teenage, well from babies up to the teen children, and, uh, I know I bought a lot of Wanda’s and Bill’s things there, and, uh, then (inaudible.) (Or any of the stores between you) Well we had Bloominthales, which was was run by a Jewish family. They had, um, real high class, good class clothing, and it was a department store. They, they didn’t handle furniture or houseware items, but they had everything to do with clothing and (inaudible) which, uh, uh, was very fashionable at that time. (Cough.) And the Queen City was a very high class. That was also run by a Jewish family (inaudible) Wanda worked there in their youth department, uh, I could tell you a story about that. She, uh, uh, baby sat across from the high school for thirty five cents an hour, and every time that she baby sit two hours or three the very next day after school she high tailed it down to, um, Queen City. She would lay a dress in lay away. Girls wore dresses all the time, and, uh, then when she got it paid off she’d go down and, um, get, pick her dress up, and they told her one time he said Wanda you cause us more book keeping then any of our customers because if she had thirty five cents down she went to pay on her dress, but dresses then probably were, uh, (inaudible) maybe fifteen dollars. And I know she bought, uh, her senior year in high school a dress at The Paris I think it was that had been forty nine ninety five and at that time that was a tremendous amount of money, and they had, it was velvet and it had what they called a (inaudible) that squared out from the waist. It was (inaudible) and it was a beautiful dress (cough) and, uh, she got it for fifteen dollars. It was marked down. She wore it even after she was married and turned around and sold it for twenty-five. She wore it about five or six years and it was still for dress, it was still in excellent condition. She sold it for twenty-five dollars.

41:29 ns: Um, oh yeah you can go ahead and tell me about the time when you were working at Hills and Wanda and Bill were at the Paramount.

gm: Oh, I was waiting on a customer on credit. She was paying her credit bill, and, um, someone, a customer, or some, um, customer came in and said that, uh, the Paramount Theater was on fire and Wanda and Bill had both gone there. It was on a Saturday afternoon to, uh, a matinee, and I dropped everything and left the customer standing there. Rushed out of the building down to the Paramount, and the kids were out and it turned out it was a minor fire and I got balled out for it because I left the customer standing, but my only thought was that the theater was on fire (cough) and I have my two children were there (Uh-huh). I wasn’t fired but I got a dressing down for leaving a customer standing.

42:34 ns: Um, it was, it was your children graduated from Marion High School.

gm: Yes, Wanda graduated in 1952 and Bill graduated in fifty-five.

42:45 ns: Can you tell me a little about the ceremony?

gm: Well, I remember, uh, they were held at the, um, armory and, um, they wore caps and gowns by that time. I don’t remember too much about the ceremony except that it had the program as all graduations do and I remember how proud I was when they walked on the stage and picked up their diploma. Shook hands with the superintendent, or the principal.

43:26 ns: At the end of the war do you remember anything that happened like how the town celebrated?

gm: Yes, I remember very well. Wanda had purchased, we knew it was going to come to a conclusion. We heard that, but we weren’t sure when. Uh, Wanda had a brand new roll of toilet tissue and, uh, she had already organized the kids of the neighborhood and they started out with a roll and unwound it until they ran out of toilet tissue, and they were singing songs and, and just making a lot of noise. They were just that happy. They were just children.

ns: Well I want to thank you for giving me all this useful information. You are a very interesting lady. Thank You.

44:15 gm: Well, thank you.